The RSA and Teachfirst’s #EduMatters debate with Sir M. Wilshaw, Ndidi Okezie, Peter Hyman and Matthew Taylor

30th April 2012

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@miconm Agreed. He means to say academic background and teaching ability do not always correlate
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(I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. Ones immediate, ones over time) #edumatters
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Wilshaw disagreea and says its schools reponsibilty to make sure pupils can compete on = footing #edumatters
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@RSAMatthew argues scandalous that russell group unis don’t all take into account pupils context to recognise their achievements#edumatters
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Hyman: would you prefer the Oxbridge double first or 2:2 from Manchester?… I’ve turned down many oxbridgers #edumatters
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We’re tightening up and reviewing ofsted for ITT – Wilshaw#edumatters
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Question from a Mossbourne teacher now. What are implications for ITT #edumatters
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>> well the point is whether degree equates to being the best, yes we want the best but are degree grades a gd measure of this?@Ndidi1st
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In society we have benchmarks&wld we ask other professions if they wouldn’t prefer to have the best? @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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Some of worst teacher I’ve come across had phds – Hyman#edumatters
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Hyman: would you prefer the Oxbridge double first or 2:2 from Manchester?… I’ve turned down many oxbridgers #edumatters
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Question from @NUTonline on how autonomy fits with phonics&whether better degree = better teachers #edumatters
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When it comes down to it, pupils need the results to progress to the next stage & there’s a limit to time available @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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Secretary of State would say “fine do what you like as long as you do GCSEs & get results”&charm pants off every1 @RSAMatthew#edumatters
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Schools not necessarily being created where they’re mos needed@RSAMatthew #edumatters
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Yes the secretary of state does have a particular bias for academies@RSAMatthew #edumatters
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You should be looking at 2-18 yr olds not 4-18 – floor question to Hyman #edumatters
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Praise for modern bacc from @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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“Sometimes I think world divided into two types of ppl, those who create false dichotomies and those that don’t” @RSAMatthew#edumatters
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I want to pilot new awards recognised by unis and employers like D of Edinburgh for things like creativity – Hyman #edumatters
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Our only measure of kids is “can you write lots of stuff in an exam room in three hours” Hyman #edumatters
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School 21 would fit better in Finland – question from floor#edumatters
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In some jobs you can grow outside of the public spotlight whereas teaching is v public (gillian Hargreaves) #edumatters
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Teachers too often try to be a particular type and pupils can see it when you’re faking it. @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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We’re now gd at getting schools out of failing but less gd at making them great @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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Go through phases as teacher: 1. survival. 2. how did I perform 3. Are they learning? Hyman #edumatters
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There’s been a big shift from teaching to learning and that’s gd. Hyman #edumatters
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When recruiting, Hyman looks for spark, interest in whole child, excited by enthusing&engaging pupils #edumatters
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Schools which are successful talk about teaching all the time which is led by leaders & gd prof dvlp + open door policy Wilshaw#edumatters
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Need flexibility for teachers to play to their strength- some are gd in front of 150 pupils, others in front of 5. @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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All teachers shld have basic training as researhers so they can experiment and evaluate @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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Children no longer have to put up with boredom anymore, that’s what’s changed @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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How do we strengthen peer to peer support. We need to create that environment&marry that w/ strict perf management #edumatters@RSAMatthew
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If pupils are not succeeding the teacher is not succeeding and performance management needs to say that @RSAMatthew#edumatters
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Autonomy is a great way of professionalising teaching @RSAMatthew#edumatters
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Very good advertising, @TeachFirst and mass unemployment have done a lot to bring gd ppl into profession @RSAMatthew #edumatters
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@RSAMatthew ‘s school report: O levels are for the mediocre and so he thrived #edumatters
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Most of people who taught me were very odd middle aged men@RSAMatthew #edumatters
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Quite a big difference between what Hyman and Wilshaw are saying, wonder if they’ll admit that #edumatters
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Questioning is the most important thing and high quality talk. Silent lesson = opposite of a great lesson -Hyman #edumatters
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Teachers will need a huge range of skills- not shoving up pastoral issues to HOY, developing projects, coaching etc -Hyman#edumatters
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We should have half hour mastery classes on specific points, independent & project based learning, small form groups – Hyman#edumatters
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99% of what happens in schools is delivering bodies of knowledge which doesn’t give pupils what they need Hyman #edumatters
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default position in too many schools is teacher talking too much and pupils sat in rows and thats not delivering results. Hyman#edumatters
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Starting point for developing new school shld be- what do we want pupils to be like when they leave aged 18 #edumatters
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Peter Hyman of School 21 up now. Invites people to apply for jobs#edumatters
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“gone are the days when…” :-/ hmmm @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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@Ndidi1st is a hell of a good speaker #edumatters
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Great school support pupils with their challenges but do not fixate on them @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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It’s teachers who time and again make this difference @Ndidi1st#edumatters
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I am blown away by the seemingly insurmountable challenges pupils overcome @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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…when was this golden age being referenced? #edumatters@Ndidi1st
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@Ndidi1st points are all good- my qualm is the frequent references to how it’s not how it was, “things have changed” – #edumatters
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The best teachers always emphasise that they expect more of pupils when behaviour not good enough @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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Pupils engage in “fronting” at first – even if deep down they want to learn @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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Before I cld get pupils interested in the content I was delivering, they wanted to know what I wanted from them @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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When I started teaching I was surprised – respect wasn’t automatic.I had to earn it @Ndidi1st #edumatters
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Importance of relationships and support when struggling coming through strong in pupil voices. #edumatters
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Nice one @Ndidi1st for bringing recordings of pupil voices on what makes great teaching. #edumatters
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@68ron yep. But qualified in terms of determination not oppression
 In reply to Ronnie
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We don need to see entertainment designed to promote the teachers’ personality – Wilshaw #edumatters
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If we see an extended piece of writing or structured reinforcement of mathematical formulas that’s fine Wilshaw #edumatters
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If you’re going to be a successful you need physical and mental energy to walk the walk not just talk the talk. Wilshaw #edumatters
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Importance of being resilient, fierce characters- not in oppressive dictatorial or bullying way but firm on stds. Wilshaw #edumatters
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Importance of being perceptive of what’s happening in the class- highly interventionist&dictating pace of lesson – Wilshaw #edumatters
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Ofsted will not necessarily expect a lesson plan but will expect to see a planned lesson. Wilshaw #edumatters
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Importance of planning, reflection/evaluation & initiative but being responsive to what’s happening in the class – Wilshaw #edumatters
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As with the structural debate- in teaching what’s good is what works – Wilshaw #edumatters
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Teachers successful because they dvlpd the style of teaching that suited them. should be pragmatic about what works #edumatters
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Wilshaw- describes two contrasting teachers and their approaches to show there’s more than one way to be a great teacher #edumatters
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Wilshaw’s on – we have the best crop of teachers & @TeachFirsthave played imp role in this #edumatters
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Off to @theRSAorg to hear Sir M Wilshaw, Peter Hyman and@Ndidi1st – should be gd. Will live tweet (if not Chatham House&battery survives)